Tuesday, January 10, 2012

How can anyone believe this

That an apostate should be killed. I don't care if you would personally never do the killing yourself, if you believe that a system should be set up to kill apostates, you are just a horrible person and you disgust me.

That's all.

11 Comentários:

truth said...

You are aware of Kimdonesia.she left islam in 2009,was afraid of killing her being apostate.
She is still alive and anounced herself in november 2011 that she is caming back (came back)to islam.
You are right,it is not good to kill anyone coz they left religion.

watch it out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB64GI0LGRM

note: you can see her comment on this video as well.

Susanne said...

Preach it!

Candice said...

"truth": I'm glad you agree with me.

I followed Kimdonesia back when she was a Muslim and I know there were a lot contradictions between her beliefs and Islam that she was unable to reconcile at the time. I wish her well! If she really did come back to Islam she is probably more at peace which is all a person can hope for.

Anisah said...

Wow, Kimdonesia came back? Did she say that? Just wondering if it's just a rumor or not. I guess I was Muslim when Muslim wasn't cool lol.

Candice, they are stupid. Somehow they don't think the freedom of religion talked about in the Quran applies to Muslims who don't find peace in Islam anymore. Wherever one finds peace, or whatever, is right for them, and no one else should tell them what to believe.

I might be a bit nervous if I was still in NJ, but honestly I don't think so. I didn't wait to leave until I left the state, it just happened that way. I don't think any of the Muslims I knew would be after me. I think it's mostly those in Muslim majority countries.

Candice, did you read something that made you think about this today?


Candice said...

I didn't really read anything about this... It just popped up because I was reading someone's blog and she really *wants* to be a Muslim with very traditional beliefs but she is struggling because some of that goes against something very basic inside herself. She has not realized it yet but she's going through struggles and I remembered an old post of her's that struck me at the time about if her child left Islam. She seemed to accept that her child deserved death but was not at peace with it either...

All I can do is pray that she finds her way because she is seriously confused at the moment and she needs to find her own self. The Islam she is trying to believe in is just destroying her.

SS said...

Read the description of the above video and her comment at the bottom. "Its not rumor".

сяyρτ αℓgø said...

Please see this video...translation of speech is written in english in video...its a short video less than 5 min


сяyρτ αℓgø said...

It would be gr8 if someone would tell kim this message!

There is a story about two murid of a Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (q.s.) who fought and one murid said something very hurtful to the other. When the Shaykh found out, he told the offender to go to Makkah and destroy the Ka’bah. The murid was shocked.

“Why would you ask me to do such a terrible thing?”

And the Shaykh replied, “If you cannot guard the Ka’bah of the Heart, what use is there to pay homage to the physical Ka’bah?”

It is quite unfortunate. That Kim could not reconcile her idea of a loving God with an angry God because of her reading of the Qur’an also points out that she did not really understand what she read in context.

You cannot read the translation of the Qur’an and hope to understand fully the breadth of meaning conveyed. Even those with decades of study and learning will always find something new.

Allah (s.w.t.) is a Merciful God above all. Allah (s.w.t.) declares that His Mercy overcomes His Wrath. And there are many stories and hadith to emphasize that.

If Kim expects a loving God, then He is al-Wadud, the Most Loving. If she expects a generous God, He is ar-Razzaq, the Most Generous. If only she learned the nature of Allah (s.w.t.), His Attributes and His Names. This would never have been an issue.

Is There Proof God Exists?

As much as the intellectual atheists such as Dawkins can argue and assert, deep down inside, we all know the Truth, since Allah (s.w.t.) is al-Haqq. It is fitrah to Know that there is a God. It is arrogance to assert that there is no God, since if Man kills God; Man has elevated himself to godhood.

The most eloquent response that I can think of is this:

A man once asked Jalaluddin ar-Rumi (q.s.) if God exists. And ar-Rumi (q.s.) said, “Look at the sandstorm. Do you see the sand?”

And the man said, “Yes.”

Then Jalaluddin ar-Rumi (q.s.) asked, “Do you see the wind?”

And the man said, “No.”

Jalaluddin ar-Rumi (q.s.) asked him, “Can you see the world?”

And the man said, “Yes.”

Jalaluddin ar-Rumi (q.s.) asked, “Do you need to see God?”

Apostasy need not be forever. And so maybe for Kim, an Abdul Qadir al-Jilani (q.s.) would say, “Tell her, her Lord Bids her come back. I was never away. I was always there. Just call My Name again.”
hope Kim understands the words of Abraham (a.s.):

سُوۡرَةُ الحِجر
قَالَ وَمَن يَقۡنَطُ مِن رَّحۡمَةِ رَبِّهِۦۤ إِلَّا ٱلضَّآلُّونَ (٥٦)
He said: And who despaireth of the mercy of his Lord save those who are astray? (al-Hijr:56)

KimDonesia said...

Hi there,

This is the former KimDonesia, and I found these comments because I Google my old username from time to time. I'd always been searching for a truth that seemed logical to me, and at the time, Islam did seem logical.

However, after a great deal of thought, I found that any type of theism no longer seemed rational in my mind and for three years now, I have been an atheist. I don't outright claim that a god doesn't exist, but I do say that it's impossible to know and I do not accept any belief without evidence.

I will never give up my thirst for knowledge and experience, but I do accept now that the limited human mind is incapable of finding objective truth in this infinite universe.

KimDonesia said...

Hi there,

This is the former KimDonesia. I found these comments because I search for my old username in Google from time to time. Curiosity gets the best of me, I guess. I just want to say that I was very young and being the intuitive I am, I was searching for absolute truth, and the meaning of life. At the time, Islam seemed to be the most logical truth to me.

However, after an existential crisis and a lot of thinking, I decided that theism in general was no longer rational in my mind. I have been an atheist for three years, but I never outright claim that a god does not exist because it is impossible to know. I no longer believe without evidence.

I have since ended my search for truth, because I have come to the conclusion that the finite human mind is incapable of even coming close to an objective truth in an infinite universe. I have never abandoned my thirst for knowledge and experience though, and think my religious past has improved me for the better.

Candice said...

It's really nice to hear from you (formerly known as) Kimdonesia! I feel so similar to you in all this except that at the moment, I'm more of an agnostic theist. I believe that there's a God but I accept that there's not enough evidence to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, just like I also believe that there's not enough evidence to prove that there is no God. I see both points as equally valid.

Thanks for posting, hope you're doing well!

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