Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Flat out

I don't feel in any way that the traditional/orthodox interpretation by the leading ulama is the truth from God. A lot of what is contained is man-made and misleading to all Muslims who are told to follow this as it is God's will. In other words: There's a lot of crap contained therein!!!

11 Comentários:

Stephanie said...

Agreed...flat out...100%.

Susanne said...

Hehehe...you're so cute! :-D By the way I got accused of reading extremist blogs today. I'm trying to figure out which ones I read that are extreme. Maybe this one! ;-)

Nikki said...

Amen!! I'm tired of being told that so and so said this was haram, this was obligatory, this, that, the other!

Well what did ALLAH say???? That's all that matters!

Zuhura said...

Amin, sister!

Becky said...

Amin. Agree 100%.

Candice said...

Susanne: That's a weird accusation for someone to make! I think that I'd be considered the opposite of extreme, which is a really bad thing for the people who are very strict in the interpretation they follow. To them, I'm not extreme, but I'm anything from disbeliever to traitor, etc.

Nikki: Yes, that's ALL that matters! I don't understand how people can be so blind to not see everything God has given us! And so blind not to see the corruption that happened with time in Islam. These people had their own agendas -- they are human!

UmmSqueakster said...

I'm writing the following with a lot of love towards you, and not meaning at all to put you down. I don't want to come across as a sanctimonious b*tch, but I do want to say the following (with no malice intended):

While I understand your frustration, I want to caution you against using such harsh language. Does anything positive come from insulting people who have dedicated their lives to studying this religion? I was very skeptical about Tradition when I first came to the religion, but the more I learned about it, the more I realized I didn't know 1/1000000th of what the great ulema did. Before I disregard a ruling, I do my best to understand how it was derived, and 99 times out of 100, once I do that research, I realize the reasoning behind it does have a clear foundation.

Beyond that, even if you disagree with what they say, it would be best to at least respect the knowledge they do have.

When Allah (swt) commanded Moses (as) to speak to Pharaoh, He told him:

"But speak to him mildly; perhaps he may take warning or fear [Allah]." (20:44)

And what happens if you're wrong? Do we really want to stand in front of Allah (swt) on the day of judgment having called something (possibly) from Him crap?

Candice said...

Thank you for your comment but I am not insulting anyone. I can understand that a person who believes in the infalliability of sharia would feel insulted because yes, I'm calling the haria full of crap but that's not an insult directed at anyone. Not to people who believe it and not even to people who contributed to it. How should I know who added what lies?

Put into a situation with a person committing wrong, I try my best to not be harsh with them, and only direct about the wrong itself. We definitely have to make excuses for people in the wrong so the last thing I would want to be is harsh towards any person.

UmmSqueakster said...

The sharia isn't infallible, but rather the result of thousands of learned men and women who dedicated their lives to understanding and interpreting the religion. By saying it's full of crap, you're insulting the hard work of 1400 years of scholarship. And for what aim? What do you gain by it?

Sharia and by extension fiqh and every other islamic science isn't a mystery. We can find out the how and the why of particular rulings if we look. But, it does take some work. I've spent a lot of time in law libraries doing legal research. I had to first learn not only how to look at the thousands of books that contained legal statutes but also the tens of thousands of books that contained court opinions interpreting the statutes. Once I did, I could begin to fall down the rabbit hole and hop from opinion to opinion to see how jurisprudence formed over time.

You can do the same with fiqh and other islamic sciences. Sharia isn't a bunch ulema conspiring to shove crap down our unsuspecting throats. It's the result of approaching the source texts with science, learning, reasoning and deduction.

Maybe they got it wrong, Allahu Alem. But they certainly didn't do it simply to create crap.

Candice said...

UmmSqueakster: Our comments have made me feel really uncomfortable because I just love you and respect you, you know? And I know I am coming off very direct and harsh towards sharia and I admit it might come off as harsh towards anyone who believes in it and anyone who has contributed to it, but that's not my intention at all to be harsh towards any person so may Allah forgive me if I was.

I might not believe in the Sharia and following it as a whole, but I respect the work of scholars and I don't believe most had bad intentions! I think they believed in what they said they believed in for the most part and taught that. But it's a domino effect if there's even just one thing wrong that they believed was right. And it's likely there's plenty wrong since this is not the word or work of God but rather humans. Let's say it's more than just a little man-made. Even if it's men with good intentions.

Abdullah Munawar said...

I hope you have come to that conclusion after a long (1400 years?) and hard research. If you haven't done that and still making a snap judgement without making any effort(surely typing is counted too) it will only show the personal limitations of a person.

Did you go through Islamic law for a few years and have an "insight" on how how things work?

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