Wednesday, June 30, 2010

Misinformation

I cannot stand people posting hateful, unislamic things and forcing people to accept that this is Islam and insisting that any other opinion is wrong.

It's one thing to interpret the Qur'an and Sunnah without any real qualifications... It's something I can deal with as long as the person is clear that this is what *they* believe and that they don't have support for their ideas from any knowledgable person. I do this but my readers are always left with the clear fact that this is how I personally see it and that it is not necessarily fact or even right.

But it's another thing to do that and then pretend to have proof to back up the idea, and not explain that it's an interpretation made by an unknowledgable person and to go further in saying that this is Islam and any other belief is mislead! The nerve of someone to do that! To attribute these ideas to ALLAH! I call it shirk, or at the least misguided (distorting the message of Allah, astarghfirallah!). May Allah guide them the right way!

The blog I have in mind that has post after post like this is a blog that is possibly by a young girl (a teenager maybe) who has the teenage mentality that she knows everything and others don't. But I fear that it might be more and that this person might be ill-meaning. I'm only speculating... Who knows if the person has bad intentions... But the effect is there nonetheless and I have trouble standing here doing nothing while other Muslims get mislead into hate.


I need to just make a small part of this post about an issue in particular that has really gotten to me. Heaven is not only reserved for people who consider themselves Muslim in this earthly life. Allah will judge everyone fairly, whether they used the label "Muslim" or "agnostic" or never even thought to label themselves! A person needs to be a Muslim (submitter), but in the TRUE sense that only Allah can fully understand, and only Allah can judge on whether or not a person fulfills the requirements to be considered Muslim in His eyes!

A verse that proves that not all "non-Muslims" are going straight to Hell according to the Qur'an:

Surely, those who believe,
those who are Jewish, the Christians,
and the converts; anyone who
(1) believes in GOD, and
(2) believes in the Last Day, and
(3) leads a righteous life,
will receive their recompense from their Lord.
They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. (2:62, 5:69)

19 Comentários:

Kaighla said...

Asalaamu aleikum, sister.

MashaAllah, I love your blog posts. I also feel offended (an understatement)when people are misinformed about Islam and spread that misinformation either because of ignorance or due to ill-will. Alhamdulillah, Islam is peace, Islam is the only thing which can bring us peace, submission to Allah. We should not standing behind or supporting a ridiculous idea that says the main goal of Islam is to murder people different than us. This is so obviously not Quran if a person reads and understands (which Quran also says...it is easyto see Allah for those who reason).

However, I do feel it incumbent to correct the last statement that you made, not because I am wiser or something but because I struggled with this concept before I converted. After all, if a person will enter Jennah as long as he/she is a good Christian, why convert in the first place, right? I have read many an explanation of that group of verses and over and again have found the same thing: This verse refers to those people who were Christian/Jewish/Monotheistic in general BEFORE the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saws). After he came and was called to Prophethood and received the Quran, the truth was made known that Jesus is not God, don't worship him as such, etc. The people who really tried to devote themselves to God and didn't know any better (me before I learned about Islam), there is no reason for them to be afraid or to grieve because Allah will reward them. However, since the Prophet Muhammad (saws) came and shared Allah's truth (There is only one God, worship him alone), people no longer have the excuse they didnt know better. Islam is open and available for people to hear about and research if they really want to. Except in the case of children and mentally ill people, Allah says in Quran he makes his truth known to all and they choose whether to follow it or not.Allah guides those who want to be guided and leads astray those who want to be lead astray ( who close their hearts to his truth and refuse to consider it).

So, in the case of a Christian, he/she really believe Jesus is the son of God. Then, they hear somehow that Islam says he isn't and they should worship God alone, no one needs to die to cover their sins, etc. and this sounds crazy. So, unless they really seek to understand more about this idea, they will close their hearts and refuse to consider it. In this scenario, they have many things to fear and grieve because they heard the truth and refused to consider it. In the case of a person living on a deserted island (are there any of those anymore?), God deals with them according to what they know. In that case, with no knowledge whatsoever of the truth of Islam, perhaps that person, if they are christian or Jewish and really seek God, will be permitted into Jennah. But, again....if a person just searches their heart when they hear about Islam and they don't put up any walls immediately, it is obviously true.

Does any of this make sense? Anyway, this is the opinion of all the educated Muslims I know, including my husband, a sheikh, and it is the opinion laid out in the tafseer i've read.

Nikki said...

I either read the post you're referring to or one extremely similar. It upset me very much, especially since the verse you posted came to mind proving that it's not TRUE.

My family is Christian and although I disagree with them I know that they are truly trying to put God first in their lives, just as I am. I pray that we're all judged on intentions, not just "religion" "denomination" or "sect."

Candice said...

Kaighla: Thank you so much for your comment. I agree with all that you said. I make efforts not to let the goal of my blog posts be overshadowed by me explaining the little details and so I didn't go into any detail at all on how it's not all Christians and Jews that can be considered believers (maybe not even most, but who knows) and that the verse would be well applied on people following these religions before the spread of Islam. But I also believe it applies now. I agree with you on the point that a person having received information on Islam that is right and true, and deciding to continue following what they were following likely not falling into teh category of "believers" no matter how good of Christians or Jews they are. If they rejected Islam after receiving good information about it, they have probably made the decision to close their hearts to real submission.

I strongly believe that anyone never having heard of any religion has Allah in their hearts and the power to submit to Allah's will. They don't have a book, but if they search deeply enough, through culture and conditioning, they can find the raw truth and be submitters (Muslims). We are lucky to have the Qur'an to put everything into evidence and make our search easier.

Nikki: My family is not Muslim, and even if they are technically Catholic, they don't follow the religion and so are more like agnostics... I know they believe in God and try to be good people and to me, that's one step towards pleasing God. They don't do good with the intention of pleasing God, but it seems clear to me that God put that drive to be good people there and so for me it's all related. I do pray that they find Islam though, but just knowing them and other people like them, I cannot believe that they are going to Hell just because they don't call themselves "Muslim". Luckily for me, I have the Qur'an on my side

Banana Anne said...

@ Kaighla: Masha'Allah, that was a very good explanation, and said in a way that was gentle and conscious of the fact that ALLAH is the Ultimate Judge.

sara said...

You should read about our Prophet's pbuh uncle Abu Talib, he was a great man but never reverted, so why,on his death bed, did Mohammed pbuh, cry and beg him to revert,why was he so sad when he died non muslim????
Because he new he wouldn't go to heaven, you should also make sure not to interpret the Quran the way you want because it makes it easier for you to accept things.

Stephanie said...

So in response to Kaighla's comment if a person in this day and age who has obviously heard of Islam does not accept it then they are going to burn in absolute torture in the fire for eternity???
Sorry, I cannot accept lil ol mother Teresa who did nothing but selfless good is in this position. Is Allah just? Yes, he sent us a way of life and guides who he will BUT I personally don't believe it is our job as human beings to say who will and will not go to heaven. Does not Allah do as he pleases? Is he not the best of planners?

cairo, lusaka, amsterdam said...

Great post!

I seriously don't understand how we can say God is just and then in the same breath say He will make all non-Muslims burn in hell. Am I seriously to believe that Nelson Mandela will be in hell just because he didn't embrace Islam? What if it wasn't presented to him in a way that would make him convert? All I see today are conservative or literalist Muslims...and we expect everyone to be interested in Islam?

Candice said...

sara: I disagree. Obviously I think Islam is the true path or I wouldn't be Muslim. But I believe in levels of Heaven and I think that not only Hell is sad, but thinking that a person you love could get a lower level in Heaven than they would if they converted. We want the best for people we love.

Stephanie: I think that just hearing about Islam and not investigating into it would not be a reason to consider a person a rejector and disbeliever, but someone who has learned all the basics and closed their hearts to Islam is something else... Allah only knows what makes a person a disbeliever... I personally believe that a person who opens their heart to goodness (that Allah has given for us to follow) has accepted Islam at least in part and I think Khaighla might follow a more traditional definition of Islam, but it seems she agrees that even non-Muslims in this day and age could go to Heaven.

CLA: I like how you say that Islam might not have been presented in a way that would make him convert. I think that's a good way of putting it. What it means exactly, only Allah knows, but that's why we are human and he is God! People need to stop judging!

sara said...

The title of your post is misinformation,did you remember that.
So where does it say anything about your interpretation of heaven and hell in the Quran or hadiths.
You should really also read about Abu Talib, he was a great man,still our prophet pbuh had a very difficult time accepting his fate after death until Allah made it clear that no one could change the fate of someone who didn't accept Islam.
You might not like it but you cannot make your own version of Islam.

LK said...

candice: Are you saying that only those who throughly studied Islam and then chose not to convert are possibly Hell bound? Cause that means me, and few others we know, are quite screwed. I don't think that is exactly what you are saying, but I thought I would ask. That is how it comes off.

I personally choose not to have an opinion on this subject unless of course it directly pertains to me (as in the above). I will just do my best and only God knows what will happen. Hopefully what I do will be enough.

Sunnahfollowers Muslima said...

Salam sis, I agree that anyone that puts someone or something above ALLAH is shirk because they disblieved in ALLAH and what ALLAHSWT says.

The verse you quoted is in relation to Christians, and Jews who converts to Islam. Go to a scholar, sheikh, or imam to verify my statement,insha'ALLAH.

You can deny that ALLAH says that non-believers will be in hell, but its an obligation for you to believe it.

Many Muslims believe that the kafr will be in heaven because of ignorance, or because they can't accept their family will be in hell, and because they do not know the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Why convert if you could be christian and go to heaven?

Islam is simple.


Here is the evidence that Kafr, or disblievers will be going to hell if they don't convert:

“Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in
worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills” -
Quran 4:48

"If anyone desires a religion other than islam (submission to Allah., never will
it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who
have lost (All spiritual good)." - Quran 3:85

"O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a
state of islam." - Quran 3:102

"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and
Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)
and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of
creatures” - Quran 98:6

"When the wrong-doers (actually) see the Penalty, then will it in no way be
mitigated, nor will they then receive respite." - Quran 16:85

"Say: "On the Day of Decision, no profit will it be to Unbelievers if they
(then) believe! nor will they be granted a respite." - Quran 32:29

Also the Prophet(sa) said:

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this
ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that
with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell."
(Reported by Muslim)

Sunnahfollowers Muslima said...

Salam sis, I'm not sure or not if you got my message because of my internet connection, but here is what I wrote originally.

Shirk: When an individual associates partners with ALLAH(you put someone or something above ALLAH).

When you deny ALLAH's words and lie on Him then you have committed shirk.

Sara is correct. The verse you took out of the whole qur'an is in reference to Christians and Jews who converts to Islam. There are numerous parts in the Qur'an that speaks about non-believers, or kafrs going to hell if they do not embrace Islam. Also, the Qur'an tells us that no other religion will be accepted except for Islam. Thats it. Simple.

Many Muslims believe the kafr will go to heaven because of ignorance, do not know the qur'an or sunnah, and because they can't accept the fact their non-muslim family members will be going to hell if they don't convert. I'm not saying any of this off of personal opinion. ALLAHSWT says in the Qur'an that disblievers will be going to Hell.

The Qur'an is clear in what it says:

“Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in
worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills” -
Quran 4:48

"If anyone desires a religion other than islam (submission to Allah., never will
it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who
have lost (All spiritual good)." - Quran 3:85

"O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a
state of islam." - Quran 3:102

"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and
Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)
and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of
creatures” - Quran 98:6

"When the wrong-doers (actually) see the Penalty, then will it in no way be
mitigated, nor will they then receive respite." - Quran 16:85

"Say: "On the Day of Decision, no profit will it be to Unbelievers if they
(then) believe! nor will they be granted a respite." - Quran 32:29

Also the Prophet(sa) said:

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this
ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that
with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell."
(Reported by Muslim)

Kaighla said...

Salaam, all.

In response to the comments about good people like Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa going to hell or not, I certainly hope not as well. But if I read qur'an, there really is no room for other ideas. Allah is just meaning he does what he pleases, not what we like or think is right/good. If Allah says one must be a Muslim to enter Jennah/Avoid hell, he means it. and he says this all over quran. We dont have to agree with what Allah says. This is the way it is and there is wisdom in all he does, wisdom we can't grasp. Repeating something Allah says in Quran, with correct understanding backed up by sunnah and tafseer is not "speaking for God". God spoke for himself on numerous occasions about this. God decides who will go to hell, who will get to leave after a time, who will go to heaven, what level they will enter, etc. He tells us how to avoid hell and how to raise ourselves higher in heaven. We have it laid out, no guessing required.

As I said before, there are certain cases (which I wont name again, as I was specific before and my hand hurts from typing. ha ha), I think and hope Allah will accept people into Jennah, however I disagree, respectfully of course, based on quran and sunnah that some people in this day and age who live as non-Muslims will enter Jennah. and I think this is a sound argument based on quran and sunnah, and backed with tafseer. Again, if they live on a deserted island and have never even heard of islam/monotheism at all, Allah knows what he will do with them, and may he deal with them in his perfect ways, the most gracious and most merciful. But for 99% of humanity living in the modern world, even third-world/developing countries have heard of Islam and have the chance, even without books, to educate themselves further about it. If they decide not to, Allah has led them to make this decision, as he says he guides whom he wills and leads astray whom he wills, i.e. those who dont seek the truth with all their hearts. (These are not my words, p.s., but Allah's in Quran, absolutely un-countable times.)

Again, i dont say this from a judgemental perspective but from a desire to be true to the only true Islam, the deen of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) as living as a christian I got sooooo fed up with people twisting and turning the bible and throwing parts out and straight up denying things to make their own convenient religion. God made Islam perfect with little to be argued over, and those things have been argued by the scholars before us, mashaAllah, for centuries. But on things like tawheed and the absolute importance of it, there is no grey area, according to quran. You are Muslim or you're not, and it is tawheed that determines this.

Candice said...

Thanks for the responses. I feel I was generally clear about how I feel about the subject so because I simply don't have that much time and that much patience, I will answer only what I realize I was not clear about.

LK: I re-read my message and I agree that it comes off that way... I always keep a broad definition for things though and don't always go itno detail about that. For example, what it is to be a Muslim. I strongly believe that the definition we have as humans for "Muslim" is much different than the one Allah has! A person who considers himself Muslim but does evil is likely not Muslim in the eyes of Allah while a person who might not use the label might be a much truer "submitter" (a much truer Muslim). Where the line is drawn on who has rejected Islam, I don't know! But certainly, a Muslim by name who does evil must not be one who has accepted Islam as a religion, even if they don't mind the label!

Sorry for how my response came off. I do believe that a rejector of Islam will not access Heaven but I would not pretend to know who Allah counts as a rejector of Islam. The Islam that is out and about is, I believe, not the 100% true Islam, so for you to have decided not to become Muslim after getting that information does not make me form a conclusion about you at all.

sara said...

Again here Candice you interpret Islam and what Muslim are your way, where do you find in the Quran and hadiths such interpretation,have you referred to any tafsir to understand better??
It clearly defines what is a muslim and because a muslim does not practice the right way or does bad thing it doesn't make him a non muslim ,just a bad muslim there's a difference!!!! No muslim can call another muslim a "non muslim", that's a grave sin.
And someone who doesn't say shahada is not a muslim, it's the first pillar of Islam.
You complain about misinformation, I'm sorry to say,but your comments are full of them also.

wantowearhijab said...

Salam Candice,
I also dislike it when we claim "only so and so" will go to Heaven. Reminds me why I DID NOT become a Mennonite! My hubby says only Muslims are going to Heaven, and Honestly, it makes me upset. Everyone has to know every follower of EVERY religion inteprets their religion diff- there is NEVER only 1 interpretation. Scolars are going to have diff views. Look at CHristians, they claim to follow the bible but eat pork, which is forbidden in Lev. (noting against christianity of course; I ave a GREAT respect for the religion!). Only Allah knows who will and will not go to heaven. To say so and so is and so and so isn't is judging. I don't care if ppl say I am not a true Muslim b/c I sya this, that is their sin of judging me. ONLY Allah knows wat is in someone's heart. This is why I never blog about religion and try not to respons to blogs that due.

Andy said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ded5lVaTM

Allah knows best

Candice said...

Sara: To have misinformation, it needs to first be passing off as information. Not the case here. If you read my blog that way, you completely misunderstood.

wanttowearhijab: My blog is pretty much only about religion and I don't regret talking about it, but it definitely brings in disagreements, and sometimes even borderline stalking and major insults. It comes with the subject, I guess! I feel I had more positive than negative experience overall so I'm glad to deal with these topics!

Andy: I will try to get to that video, thanks.

Kaighla said...

MashaAllah, Andy. That was a very informative video.

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