Friday, January 8, 2010

My very own custom religion

I've always held the position that I didn't approve of picking and choosing elements of a religion and following only what you like. I still don't, really, but in a way, I am doing just that. I am finding a way to fit everything into my Islam, even if, as I've been open about, I don't agree with lots of things in "traditional" Islam. I thought hard on what Islam really was and to me, the main element was always the Qur'an. I needed to believe in the Qur'an as the word of God, or I couldn't be Muslim. I found that belief, so I found it acceptable to become Muslim.


I was never convinced about salat though, however much I love the ritual and think it's a great way to do just what it's meant to do: glorify God and keep a contact with God. Being a bit more on the "Qur'an only" side of Islam (and NOT Code 19), I could not find the belief that salat as 5 daily contact prayers was obligatory. I reasoned that it might not be obligatory to do it the Muslim way, but that rituals were just there to regulate us in our worship and were useful. So although it was not obligatory, not doing it resulted in not doing something that in the end was obligatory. Don't know if that made sense. It does to me even now. But this point of view makes it harder to get up and do the prayers than believing it's "bad deeds" to not do them (rather than just good deeds for doing them with a possibility of bad deeds for some cumulative lack).

So that was mostly an example of something I am in a way adding to my customized Islam. It's still "OK" for me since it can fall in my definition of Islam, and I am always very careful to be honest with myself, but I am still changing Islam to what I need it to be for me to be Muslim. Since the beginning I was honest with myself about that, but the focus was elsewhere.

I just wanted to put the focus on it now, right here. For those who didn't notice.

I'm tired... Gotta go straight to bed. Thanks for anyone who read and tried to get what I was saying.

50 Comentários:

Anonymous said...

Asalaam alaikum,
Here is a really great article about how to approach the Quran. SubhanAllah, we have been given an incredible gift that unfortunately many of us take for granted and do not give the respect it deserves. I found the article very inspiring and enlightening and hope you do too.
Wasalaam,
Rebecca

Anonymous said...

Arg... forgot to copy the link. Sorry about that. http://muslimmatters.org/2010/01/05/how-to-approach-the-quran-shaykh-jamaal-zarabozo/

Anonymous said...

It seems by your last few blogs that you are very confused in your believes at this time.
I suggest that you take time off from all those conflicting comments that you are generating and ask Allah to guide you.

Sameerah

Anonymous said...

The three prohibited times for the prayers
It is not permitted to do salah while [1] the sun is rising, nor [2] at midday, nor [3] at sunset; nor
should the funeral salah or sajdah for recitation be made at these times.
Uqbah ibn Amir al-Juhani said: “There are three times during which the Prophet (s.a.w.s) prohibited
us from praying or burying our deceased; from sunrise until the sun has become high ; when the
sun is at its meridian; and while the sun is setting until it has set” (Muslim)
• The one exception is Asr of the same day, which may be made until the setting of the sun.
• To do nafl prayer after the Fajr prayer until the sun has risen, or after the Asr prayer until after the
sun has set is disliked.
• There is no harm in making up missed prayers between these two times, making the sajdah for
recitation and doing the Janazah Salah, but one should not make the two rakʼahs of tawaf.
• To pray nafl after the dawn breaks, that is, more than the two sunnah rakʼahs of Fajr, is also
disliked.
Abu Saʼid reported that the Prophet (s.a.w.s) said: “There is no salah after the Fajr salah until the
sun rises” (al-Bukhari,586) [Nadawiʼ al-Fiqh al Islami, 85-94 with changes]
The making up (Qada) of missed Prayer
Abu Qatadah narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w.s) said: “There is no negligence while one is asleep
but negligence occurs when one is awake. If one of your forgets the prayer or sleeps through its
time, then he should do the prayer when he recalls it” (al-Tirmidhi)
It is obligatory to make up any missed salah, whether it is missed knowingly or forgetfully or
because of sleep. Missing a prayer knowingly is a major sin and one should repent as soon as
possible.

Anonymous said...

Salaam sister,
I admire your honesty.
I'm studying a Islamic course at the moment
I'm not very knowledgeable but I will tell you some things we've been taught in relation to your topic.
What is the Prayer?
In the Arabic language the word salah is taken from a linguistic root which means any type of
supplication intending good.
Allah says to the Prophet (s.a.w.s) “and supplicate for them (salli
alayhim), for indeed your supplication is a source of console for them” [9;103]
-It is also said that it comes from the root meaning “to heat and burn” as in the saying “to straighten
the spear-staff in the fire” as it rectifies the one that prays from indecency and wrong actions in the
same way that the spear-staff is rectified from crookedness by heating in a fire.
[al-Qarafi, adh-Dhakhirah,1;384; al-Qastalani, Marasid as-Salat, 53]
-In Islamic Law (fiqh) it is defined simply as “A worship consisting of recitation, bowing and
prostration”
When was the prayer established?
It is held that the five prayers were made obligatory on the the Night Journey (al-ʼIsra).
It is related that the prayer before that was two rakah in the late afternoon and two at Fajr as is
related with regards the verse “and glorify the praises of your Lord in the evening and the early
morningʼ[40:55].
[The five prayers made obligatory : The Night Journey
“Then Jibril (a.s) ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens. Then Allah
enjoined fifty prayers on my followers. When I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Musa
(a.s) who asked me: “What has Allah enjoined on your followers I replied: “He has enjoined fifty
prayers on them”. Musa (a.s) said: “Go back to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear
it”. So I returned to Allah and requested a reduction, and He reduced it to half. When i passed by
Musa (a.s) again and informed him about it, he said: “Go back to your Lord as your followers will
not be able to bear it”. So I returned to Allah and requested a further reduction and half of it was
reduced. I again passed by Musa (a.s) and he said to me:”Return to your Lord for your followers
will not be able to bear it”. So I returned to Allah and He said: “These are five prayers and they are
equal to fifty in reward, for My Word does not changeʼ. I returned to Musa (a.s) and he told me to
go back once again. I replied: “Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again”. Then Jibril (a.s) took me
until we reached Sidrat al-Muntaha (lote-tree) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I
was admitted into Paradise where I found small tents or walls made of pearls and its earth was
musk” (al-Bukhari)

muslim convert / revert said...
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Anonymous said...

Ali ibn Abi Talib (r.a) related that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s) said: “The pen is raised for three:
the one who is sleeping until he wakens; the child until he becomes an adult; and one who is
insane until he becomes sane” (Abu Dawud)
Neglecting the prayer
Jabir (r.a) reports that the Prophet (s.a.w.s) said, "Between a person and disbelief is discarding
prayer." [Muslim, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, Ahmad]
Any Muslim that denies that the prayer is obligator, denies a matter known to be an essential part
of this religion and thereby ceases to be part of the community. The overwhelming majority of
Schools of Islamic Law do not extend this ruling to one that neglects the prayer due to laziness,
while affirming itʼs obligatory nature.
Abdullah ibn Amr al-As (r.a) reported that the Prophet (s.a.w.s) one day mentioned the salah and
said: ”Whoever guards his salah, it will be a light and a proof and a saviour for him on the Day of
Resurrection. For whoever does not guard it, there will be no light, no proof and no saviour for him.
On the Day of Resurrection he will be with Qarun, Firʼawn, Haman, and Ubayy ibn Khalf” . [Ahmad]
The various types of Prayers
Prayers are of four types:
[1] Compulsory (fard) prayers which are so classified because they have been established by
indisputable evidences. These are further broken down into:
(a) Fard ʻayn, which are compulsory on each individual- the five daily prayers and the
Jummah Prayer
(b) Fard kifayah which are compulsory on the Community as a whole in such a way that if
performed by section of the community the rest are absolved of blame such as the funeral
prayer
[2] Obligatory (wajib), such as the Witr prayer and nafl prayers that were spoiled or broken off.
Such prayers are required to be performed, but the ruling is not established in as stringent a
manner as the fard prayer, yet is more stressed than Sunnah prayers.
[3] Recommended through a Prophetic norm (Sunnah). These are of two types:
(a) Muʼakadah (emphasized) are those performed alongside the daily prayers the importance of
which is stressed more than other sunnah prayers .
(b) Ghayr Muʼakadah, (non-emphasized) which are other prayers established by the Prophetic
example, such as the two rakah prayed when entering a masjid.
[4] Superogetory (nafl) which are prayers that are neither fard, wajib or sunnah.
The number of obligatory prayers

Zuhura said...

I agree with the Qu'ran only view on salat, too, and when I first converted my attitude to prayer was similar to yours. However, I believe that prayer brings one closer to Allah, so I strived to do the 5 salat per day but often fell short. Recently, though, I had a chance to live in a Muslim community for a few weeks and was able to get into a routine of praying 5 times a day. I now believe that participating in the ritual of praying 5 times a day at set times is a way of being part of a community of Muslims (on top of bringing one closer to God) and so it has now become important to me to do so, though I still don't think it is "obligatory" in the sense taught by hadith and tafsir.

Rene´s Bare Essentials said...

Salaam Alaikum,

To understand Islam you must follow the Sunnah of our prophet (pbuh) and the Quran. They go together. Just like the quran doesnt mention how to pray (all the steps) you find it in the sunnah of our prophet (pbuh). Just like you cant follow islam by the sunnah alone, you cant follow islam by the quran alone. They go together hand in hand! Allah has commanded his servants to pray 5 times a day. This was taught to us during our prophets night journey (when he ascended to the 7 heavens). it started as 50 and was reduced to 5 times a day.

Jaytoo said...

Salam Rene,

Candice simply stated her feelings regarding prayers, the Qur'an, and Sunnah. I think it is really uncalled for you to tell her what she MUST do in order to understand Islam. Seems to me like Candice is actually using her brain and trying to figure out things for herself instead of just blindly following what others tell her.

Btw.: Candice, I am "Hubby's" wife. He said you asked whether or not I had a blog. I'm looking forward to seeing you over there.

Hubby said...

Rene,

The Quran, according to Islam, is the word of God. So how can you, as a Muslim, state that something else is equal to it (or a required supplement to it to make it whole)?

I also find it interesting that most of you only worried about the ritualistic prayer. Candice was saying that she changes things in the religion to better suit her religious desires and only used the prayer as a reference. Heck, Jesus stated that ritualistic prayer is wrong (Matthew 6:9-13), so I would have to say they shouldn't be done, but I am not Muslim either.

Anisah said...

I am sorry..but..God gave us rules and if ur Muslim and ur changing it to fit you.. it's innovation. Now I understand you said that you are making ur life "fit" to your Islam...but that's not submission is it?
To Become a Muslim, you are submitting to one God...and making what God says to be...as your lifestyle. not the other way around..There are reasons for it and sometimes reasons we are not aware of yet.
that's belief...you believe Gods word is above all else and you do what God tells you in hopes of pleasing him and Incha'Allah reaching Jannah one day.

some reasons were stated to me upon my shahada... the Imam told me studies have shown that not doing salat leads to depression...and stomach problems... there are health benefits of praying five times a Day..and its proven...so to me..God is great...

there are just so many reason that prayer is important...reasons we do not know..and we have to trust IN Allah that he knows best..

God said in the Quran that we must follow the example of Mohammed, peace be upon him. This is why there is sunnah. This is Islam.
Questionning is always good...but I fear it's leading you to something else other than closer to Islam. ..

I mean praying is one of the five pillars of Islam.. how can one say that it's jsut a ritual.. it's clear and word of God..given to the Prophet Mohammed. there is no disputing it..it;s not a ritual it's an obligation.
Candice.. just please..in your questioning... PLEASE consider and have fear of God....God is so powerful and you should be aware of the consequences of your decisions.
last post I commented on , I used the example of a parent and children.
As children we don't always understand why our parents tell us to do something..but if we submit to them and trust them and do what they say...we might find out that reason!

God tests us every minute all the time..

I challenge you to do your full prayers for a month and then tell us what you think and feel after that. :)

I love you for the sake of Allah..sis.. and I know I sound a bit extreme to you...which is a heck of a surprise to me , I think some sisters will be surprised too hehe ..but.. I really want peace and happiness for you..and I would not be so serious about Islam unless I was sure about what I was saying.

There are just some things about Islam that one cannot not take seriously..and prayer..sis is one of them..

xo

marie said...

Salam aleikum
Reading your words, I feel your confusion, Islam is the perfect religion, you cannot pick and choose part to meet your needs.

I think that shaytan is whispering in your ear.
Quran and sunnah go and in hand.

Islam is really submitting to Allah, that's not always easy, but our journey on this earth is so short compared to the hereafter.

I'm afraid that your reading of different "blogs" and comments is only leading you astray.

Seek a well respected scholar, take time to reflect away from all this.
I pray that Allah leads you on the right path.


“Enter into the fold of Islam completely, and follow not the footsteps of the Shaytan.” [Qur'an Al-Baqarah:208]

“Do you believe in a part of the Book and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except humiliation in this life, and on the Day of Resurrection, they will be consigned to the most grievous torment !” [Qur'an Al-Baqarah:85]

“O you who believe. Obey Allah, and obey His Messenger, and those in command among you. If you dispute any matter, then bring it back to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Day of Judgement.” [Qur'an Al-Nisa:59]

“No, by your Lord, they will not become believers until they place you as a judge among themselves, and they find no hardship in their hearts from that which you judged by and submit completely.” [Qur'an Al-Nisa:65]

Wrestling With Religion said...

Hmm... interesting comments so far.
If it's any consolation, Candice, I got told the devil was attacking me too... when I was a Christian questioning stuff.
For what it's worth, I don't believe that.

Hubby said...

I am a Christian that has researched the information for myself and find a different Christianity than that which is being taught in the Churches that I have visited. I have discussed my questions and the solutions I have found with the Pastor of the Church I used to attend and I have never been told that the devil was attacking me, whispering in my ear, or anything. The only time I was told this was when I was on WhyI and it was a Muslim telling me this. Of course, I do not believe in the Devil, so someone saying this to me would just make me chuckle anyway. (Questions over how I can not believe in the devil can be answered by reading my blog.)

Adib said...

Assalaamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh sis.

I love reading your blog. I get to read the writings of a new muslim learning more about Islam. Just a few weeks ago where you made one whole post talking about you and your beliefs made me stop commenting, not because I don't like you anymore but because I wanted to come up with the best possible answer for you. I searched around for as many resources as possible to either comment here or post on my blog just so that I could share with you what I now believe is the most delicious knowledge.

Right now I've got sources but I haven't read through them all yet to make a good composition. Although I've already made 2 posts regarding Hadeeths long ago. Only recently did I realize that you did not comment on them. Maybe you didn't notice my posts back. I'm not the best of writers but I hope that, for the meantime, you will be able to check those 2 posts if you haven't.

http://www.siradib.com/2009/05/i-did-bit-of-research-and-got-to.html

http://www.siradib.com/2009/06/are-hadeeths-protected.html

Wrestling With Religion said...

Hubby - your Christianity sounds really interesting.

This "the devil is messing with you" thing happens in every religion, my mentioning Christianity was irrelevant really. :)

marie said...

(wrestling with religion),I don't think that one should be brushing off the thought of Shaytan mingling in our lives and causing confusion.

The Quran refers several times to Shaytan's bad influence in our lives.

And if an evil whisper comes to you from Shaitan (Satan) then seek refuge with Allah. Verily, He is All-Hearer, All-Knower. (Quran 7:200)

Wrestling With Religion said...

The trouble with this "shaytaan is messing with you" claim is that people have very different ideas about it. For example. If I convert to Islam, Christians will tell me I have been attacked by satan. Then if I convert back to Christianity, Muslims will tell me shaytaan has messed with me. Who do I believe? Neither. Christianity and Islam have sooo much in common. It cannot be that one is from God and the other is from shaytaan.

And if thinking for yourself and using your reason makes you vulnerable to shaytaan, which seems to be the message coming across through the comments on this page, then why does the Quran tell people to think and use their reason?

Candice said...

Thanks for the comments. I'm kinda sick these days and I'll try to come back to comment soon.

marie said...

First thing first, if you are muslim, should you be taking advice about Islam from a non muslim???

Think about this very carefully....remember choose who to get the right info from.

Candice said...

Marie: You say "first thing first" but you've already replied (this is your FOURTH) comment. And as I wrote, I haven't gotten around to replying to anyone.

Jamilah said...

Take your time and learn about Islam. Read, discover and think. Sometimes people will seem over eager to 'help' you. Try to forgive them for anything they say that might make you want to scream.

You have a huge new family of Muslims to help you, reach out and we are here.

muslim convert / revert said...

Salaams, (this message will be sent in 3 parts lol sorry :P )
Im sure that its a obligation on a muslim to pray and if someone doesnt affirm its a obligation according to the schools of Islamic Law then there no longer a muslim,unless of course the prayer isnt done due to sleep,laziness or forgetfullness,while the person believes and understand the fact its a muslims obligation,
There ar many references to prayer in the Quran such as,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe. Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment. You alone we worship. You alone we ask for help. Guide us in the right path; the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers. (1:1-7)
2:3-5] who believe in the unseen, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity. And they believe in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed before you, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are absolutely certain. These are guided by their Lord; these are the winners.
[2:43] You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and bow down with those who bow down.

[2:45] You shall seek help through steadfastness and the Contact Prayers (Salat). This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent.

[2:153] O you who believe, seek help through steadfastness and the Contact Prayers (salat). Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere.

[29:45] "Observe the Salat (Contact Prayers) for it prohibits evil and vice."

[15:98-99] "You shall glorify and praise your Lord and be with the prostrators, and worship your Lord until you attain certainty."

[35:29-30] "Surely, those who recite the book of God, observe the Contact Prayers and are charitable both discreetly and openly can hope for an investment that never loses. He will recompense them generously and will multiply His blessings upon them. He is Forgiving, Appreciative."

muslim convert / revert said...

[4:101] When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.

[4:103] Once you complete your Contact Prayer (salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (salat); the Contact Prayers (salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times.

[4:142] The hypocrites think that they are deceiving GOD, but He is the One who leads them on. When they get up for the Contact Prayer (salat), they get up lazily. That is because they only show off in front of the people, and rarely do they think of GOD.

[5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

[5:55] Your real allies are GOD and His messenger, and the believers who observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they bow down.

[5:91] The devil wants to provoke animosity and hatred among you through intoxicants and gambling, and to distract you from remembering Allah, and from observing the Contact Prayers (salat). Will you then refrain?

[5:106] O you who believe, witnessing a will when one of you is dying shall be done by two equitable people among you. If you are traveling, then two others may do the witnessing. After observing the Contact Prayer (salat), let the witnesses swear by GOD, to alleviate your doubts: "We will not use this to attain personal gains, even if the testator is related to us. Nor will we conceal GOD's testimony. Otherwise, we would be sinners."

[6:72] "And to observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and to reverence Him - He is the One before whom you will be summoned (for the reckoning)."

muslim convert / revert said...

[4:101] When you travel, during war, you commit no error by shortening your Contact Prayers (salat), if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.

[4:103] Once you complete your Contact Prayer (salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (salat); the Contact Prayers (salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times.

[4:142] The hypocrites think that they are deceiving GOD, but He is the One who leads them on. When they get up for the Contact Prayer (salat), they get up lazily. That is because they only show off in front of the people, and rarely do they think of GOD.

[5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

[5:55] Your real allies are GOD and His messenger, and the believers who observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they bow down.

[5:91] The devil wants to provoke animosity and hatred among you through intoxicants and gambling, and to distract you from remembering Allah, and from observing the Contact Prayers (salat). Will you then refrain?

[5:106] O you who believe, witnessing a will when one of you is dying shall be done by two equitable people among you. If you are traveling, then two others may do the witnessing. After observing the Contact Prayer (salat), let the witnesses swear by GOD, to alleviate your doubts: "We will not use this to attain personal gains, even if the testator is related to us. Nor will we conceal GOD's testimony. Otherwise, we would be sinners."

[6:72] "And to observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and to reverence Him - He is the One before whom you will be summoned (for the reckoning)."

muslim convert / revert said...

[22:35] They are the ones whose hearts tremble upon mentioning GOD, they steadfastly persevere during adversity, they observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity.

[22:41] They are those who, if we appointed them as rulers on earth, they would establish the Contact Prayers (salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat), and would advocate righteousness and forbid evil. GOD is the ultimate ruler.

[24:37] People who are not distracted by business or trade from commemorating GOD; they observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they are conscious of the day when the minds and the eyes will be horrified.

[29:45] You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of GOD (through salat) is the most important objective. GOD knows everything you do.

[30:31] You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.

[35:29] Surely, those who recite the book of GOD, observe the Contact Prayers (salat), and from our provisions to them they spend - secretly and publicly - are engaged in an investment that never loses.

[42:38] They respond to their Lord by observing the Contact Prayers (salat). Their affairs are decided after due consultation among themselves, and from our provisions to them they give (to charity).

[74:41-44] About the guilty. "What brought you to this retribution?" They will say, "We did not observe the contact prayers (Salat). "We did not feed the poor.

[74:1-7] O you hidden secret. Come out and warn. Extol your Lord. Purify your garment. Forsake what is wrong. Be content with your lot. Steadfastly commemorate your Lord.

[98:5] All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion.

[10:9-10] "As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, their Lord guides them by virtue of their belief. Rivers will flow beneath them in the garden of bliss. Their prayer therein is, 'Be You Glorified our God' their greeting therein is, 'Peace' and the ending/conclusion of their prayer is, Praise be to God, Lord of the universe"

[6:114] "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?"

[16:89] "We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything."

[6:114]"......He has revealed to you this book fully detailed."

It is also the 2nd pillar of islam.

Hope this helps sis :) and hope that it wasnt to much i know it was a bit lenghty whoopzi yikes how did I manage that lol (^_^)
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Zuhura said...

I love Jamilah's advice.

muslim convert/revert, while you've demonstrated that prayer is obligatory, have you found any verse in the Qu'ran that specifies 5 contact prayers per day and the times they should be done?

And is the concept of "the five pillars" mentioned in the Qu'ran?

Anonymous said...

Why do you tolerate Islam being abused by a unbeleiver on your page.
I have been reading your page for the last few days.
It seems that you are getting more confused.
It is sad to see you getting away from the right path.InshaAllah you will be guided by Allah's light.
You need to clean the bad influences of some of your followers who don't care for the hereafter.
Or take a break from this blog and really study Islam and foremost pray.
I pray for you sister.

Safaona

Stimulus said...

Alright, so much advise which creates lots of confusion.

I don't wanna get into "What you're saying is Haram" and all that, or get you into detailed Ayat or Sayings from the Prophet. If you're confused, that's the last place you go to.

My advice is, go back and think why are you a muslim? Do you believe in Islam? If yes, then why?

Strengthen that belief. Forget for a moment about details, just think clearly with both your mind and heart. Is it correct to be Muslim? What does Islam say in the first place? Shahada = "La ilaha illa Allah". Do you believe in this sentence?

If you do, and you know exactly what it means, and what it includes, then immediately other things will become clearer. It'll be much easier to accept and believe in everything Islam says.

If you're not clear on what the complete meaning of the shahada is, then I suggest you go back to it and understand it before confusing yourself any further. Hope I helped :)

eyes serene said...

Assalamu alaikom,
I spent some time researching the "Qur'an only" point of view. It's interesting. Ultimately, I think we need to rely on both Qur'an and trusted hadith. I do think that prayer is one of the requirements, as I feel there is enough evidence for it. Your post is very honest, which I appreciate, but I think you'll always get a lot of grief for this opinion regarding prayer, so be prepared!

Candice said...

eyes serene: Thanks for that comment and showing your support of my exploration! I was prepared to comment when I wrote the post, but I've been feeling really ill for some days and I'm not up for typing it all out just now unfortunately.

Will get around to it though.

Hubby said...

I pray you start feeling better soon. Your approach and my wives are very similar. I get negative a lot of times while reading the remarks and I shouldn't become that way. Heck, sometimes I get aggrevated with my wife when I read what she is reading and think that maybe she believes that junk. Obviously she is much smarter than that, and I believe you are too. Take care and get well.

Candice said...

I will attempt some short responses...

Anon about prohibited prayer times, I never heard abou that... It's interesting but not related to my post.

Anon about how prayers were established, I don't believe Allah dealed with Muhammad for the amount to be performed. Allah knew and continues to know what we need to do and no dealing was ever necessary. What an insult to Allah!

Zuhura: You seem to see it like I do. Beneficial and a good idea, but maybe not necessarily obligatory.

Rene's Bare Essentials: I pretty much echo what Jaytoo told you in her comment.

Jaytoo: Thanks for your comment. I have visited your blog before!

Anisah: It's important to realize that I was making an exageration in my blog title. So I'm not deciding to change what I know to be obligatory, I simply don't believe it is in the same sense Muslims like you do.

I think the prayer is a ritual though, 100%, whether it is obligatory or not, it would remain something that is a ritual. I wouldn't change my choice of words.

BTW, my husband really liked your reponse though.

marie: I don't think I'm being lead astray by my comments, but I definitely don't agree with all of them!

Wrestling with Religion: Thanks!

muslim convert/revert: It was really not neecssary to send me messages and messages of verses that mention salat. Please pick and choose the ones that demonstrate your point because reading verses at random that mention salat is something I can do myself! And have.

Stimulus: I feel like I'm back to where I was before I converted in a lot of ways, even though I really am so much further ahead. Don't know what to think sometimes.

eyes serene said...

Assalamu alaikom,
I can't recall offhand, or perhaps I don't know at all... How long have you been Muslim? I just wonder because I found for myself, it took me a few years of figuring out where I stood in Islam. Some people convert and change their lives and thinking 100%, straight away. It wasn't like that for me. It was a slow process. I've changed a lot since my conversion, I see that now (6-7 years later!) Also, I think this process, this growth, is not limited to a single point in time. We're constantly growing, evolving, learning, our whole lives.

Take care, sister.

Candice said...

Eyes Serene: Oh, it has only been since the summer so about 6 months. I've been learning about Islam since 2004, more seriously since 2006, and a notch more seriously since I started this blog a year ago. It has been and continues to be a journey and I except my views to continue changing as I learn.

rahma said...

I often wonder what I would have written if I had kept a blog when I first converted. Probably wouldn’t be pretty :x

One thing to think about, is that in the Qur’an, Allah (swt) calls the Prophet Muhammad (saws) the seal of the prophets (33:40). He also has told us that “Today, I have perfected your religion for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion” (5:3).

In the past, previous prophets and messengers brought islam, and when the people strayed, Allah (swt) sent another messenger to set them straight. But, we know straight from Allah (swt) Himself that Muhammad (saws) was the last prophet and that another religion wouldn’t come after. Wouldn’t it then stand to reason that He would protect this religion from going too far astray?

Are there things muslims get wrong? Probably. But would Allah (swt) allow His religion to go so far off track, so out of wack, that we are all wrong about something as essential as salat? Or about the hadith? Be careful you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater :)

One of my friends has a beautiful analogy about the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Imagine you had a sheet of music in front of you. Imagine you picked up an instrument and tried to play that music, or make that recipe. Now imagine a member of the Boston Philharmonic played from that sheet music, or Gordon Ramsey tried his hand at the recipe. How would your attempts compare to theirs?

The Qur’an is the sheet music or the recipe. The Prophet Muhammad (saws) is the professional musician or Gordon Ramsey. The music and the recipe are accessable to all people, but Allah (swt) knew that we would need help to interpret it, someone with a special touch. That person is the Prophet (saws). That’s why I don’t think we can divorce the Qur’an from the Sunnah. If we were meant to only have the Qur’an, then Allah (swt) wouldn’t have given it to someone who taught his companions how to interpret it. He could have just pitched it down from jannah and said there you go. It’s telling that the Prophet’s (saws) companions, and the subsequent generations always asked one another, what would the prophet do, what would the prophet do? They knew that he was the best example.

“There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.” (33:21)

Zuhura said...

Rahma, I don't believe Candice is suggesting that praying 5 salat each day or following hadith are wrong, just that they might not be obligatory. So in her view (which I share) Muslims who choose to follow the example of the prophet Mohamed ﷺ and teachings closely are not "off track" but neither are those who choose to follow the Qur'an more closely and take the rest as advice that may not be obligatory.

rahma said...

But, the thought that the salat is not obligatory, and that it's not obligatory to follow hadith, are an aborgation.

My point was that throughout history, the majority has held that the salat was one of the most important practices of the religion (certainly a huge fard), and that hadith were essential to practicing the religion. Would Allah (swt) have allowed His community to go so far afield?

I don't know of any major group of muslims, be they shia, sunni, or whatever, who say that salat isn't obligatory. If they weren't obligatory, wouldn't it have been obvious that they were not to all the billions of people who practiced islam throughout the last 1400 years?

Candice said...

Rahma: I think it's clear that salat is obligatory. I just don't think the way salat is performed and the 5 specific times is necessarily obligatory. I think the concept might be a lot wider than that. This is what Zuhura meant when she specifically mentionned "5 salat each day" instead of just salat in saying it might not be obligatory. I think she also believes salat *is* obligatory.

About hadith, I don't think it's "off track" to follow them, but to create laws from them, YES, I think it is totally wrong. I don't think anything that is in the hadith and not the Qur'an should be taken as obligatory.

Zuhura said...

Candice: yes, that's what I meant; thanks for understanding me.

Rahma: "abrogation" is the repeal of a law, custom, or tradition. It's a circular claim to suggest that those who question whether hadith should be taken as law are abrogating a law. And I don't think anyone is suggesting that following hadith as custom/tradition should be repealed.

The Qur'an encourages us to use our intellect to understand Islam, not simply to follow what others tell us being Muslim means. For that reason I try to understand the Qur'an using all sources available to me and not just by looking at the practices of other Muslims, regardless of their numbers.

Wrestling With Religion said...

Zuhura - the Quran certainly encourages reason, but I think Muslims exaggerate that sometimes. It also contains this verse:

"Now whenever God and His Apostle have decided a matter, it is not for a believing man or a believing woman to claim freedom of choice insofar as they themselves are concerned: for he who [thus] rebels against God and His Apostle has already, most obviously, gone astray." 33:36

This verse seems to assume that it should be quite easy to know what God and His Apostle have commanded - there is no grey area.

Also, I used to assume there would not be laws set down except in the Quran. But I realised I have no basis for this assumption, and it seems likely that the early Muslims accepted a lot of law from the mouth of Muhammad and believed it was from God. Unless vast volumes of hadiths are fabricated. Note how even the above Quran verse says "God and His Apostle have decided..."

Anonymous said...

16th and 27th = 16th and 17th century

Zuhura said...

Rahma, I think we must agree to disagree. I support you in your decision to follow the Hadith and the example of early Muslims. Allah knows best.

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Jess said...

Wow! Look at the reactions! This seems to have stirred up quite a lot of objections.

I think you are amazing for being honest and strong for finding a way that works for you.

I also agree that finding things that work for you is EXTREMELY important when you convert. It can be really difficult to take on everything at one time and finding a way to incorporate the INTENTION of the sunnah and Qur'an into your life is more important (in my opinion) than following every little dictum.

I am not sure where or if this is exactly true, but isn't it said that a prayer without the proper intention in your heart is invalid?

Why would you pray 5 times a day if you cannot feel as you should doing it? Contact with Allah is essential, but for some people - especially those raised outside of Islam - 5 times a day in such a structure ritual can really alienate them.

I am a new convert as well and your blog is really interesting for me!

Good luck and stay strong.

Candice said...

Jess: Thank you for your comment. I wouldn't say that I feel I shouldn't be praying 5 times though. I think there are other ways than to just do the 5 daily prayers and still be maintaining a good relationship with Allah, but I really feel the 5 daily prayers are a good routine, and accomplish good things. So I wish I was able to keep up with them.

Nurul said...

Assalamu'alaikum.

Hi Candy.
I just got the opportunity to do some more blogwalking, so I decided to read more of ur blog. :)

Regarding this matter, well, have you read about "The Isra' Mi'raj Journey"? Well, I think if you read it, it could gives u more ideas and faith about the ruling on salat :). You could google it up or maybe buy a book about it.

Personally for me as a born Muslim, the 5x a day prayer is compulsory in Islam coz that was what I've been taught since I was small with all the proofs that are undeniable. So, I truly believe it and try to it.

It's one of The 5 Pillars of Islam. It's true that it was not exclusively stated in the Quran (eventho the Quran repeatedly have verses about salat, zakat, hajj, fasting, etc). But, it was stated in several authentic hadiths (words of our Prophet, written down by those who heard it and the narrators of the hadiths were verified to be honest and trustworthy). :)

I think that I understand what u're trying to tell through this entry. I make du'a for u. InshaAllah in time, u will come to understand more about Islam with help from other practising Muslims. I'm not a scholar, so I don't wanna say the wrong thing here.

And it's true, Candy. For matters regarding Islam, we should seek advise and help from Allah, Quran, sunnah, hadiths and other practising Muslims. Only people who believe can help others to believe too. InshaAllah.

We dunno the people that read our blogs and give comments. Hopefully, they're ikhlas and not trying to make us astray from Islam. Ameen :) Allah knows best.

Candice said...

I just recently learned about isra miraj since it just came up. I didn't know it was celebrated although I'd heard the story very briefly.

I really take the things people tell me and figure out what is right and what isn't... I know this is a journey and I will learn and change as it goes along and I've very open to that. So things can only get clearer and better, right? :)

Nurul said...

Right! Hehe. :)

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