Wednesday, December 2, 2009

Hadiths...

I visit free-minds.org every once in a while. They are a group that believes that the Qur'an alone should guide our lives with no other sources. In a way, I agree with this, but I definitely disagree with their approach overall. They read the Qur'an pretending hadiths don't exist, so their interpretation can be VERY different than what other Muslims believe about what the Qur'an says. For example, some of them don't believe that salat is a ritual prayer! It's true that by reading the Qur'an, salat is mentionned a whole lot and it doesn't directly say that it's a ritual prayer - you get that information from hadiths. And I don't trust hadiths 100% for sure and I refuse to take as God's law something that comes from hadiths only and not Qur'an but, seriously!! Could ALL the hadiths have made this error in reporting salat as a ritual prayer??! I seriously think NOT!

For me, hadiths are history... The Sahih and Bukhari hadith collections are not divinely preserved by God, so like any history book, there are flaws and it can be a biased point of view. There was a lot of effort made to keep every word of the prophet in memory and eventually recorded, but it is not perfectly preserved for sure, and as well, I'm sure it's biased (in the direction of the male elite, for example).

I just wanted to write this out to say how ridiculous I feel it is to totally disregard hadiths! I think they are made to be used to explain the Qur'an better... I don't agree with the idea that any hadith that doesn't contradict the Qur'an is authentic, but I think that anything that doesn't contradict the Qur'an is halal. Meaning, if someone attributes a hadith to the prophet that says that it is obligatory for a Muslim to twirl three times and clap three times before going to sleep, it surely doesn't go against the Qur'an to do that, but it doesn't make it authentic either; it doesn't make it something that is OBLIGATORY. This is what I don't like about hadiths. So many rules are made from it alone and accepted because they don't contradict the Qur'an.

So this is my position on the hadiths... A "middle position" since do not want to disregard them, but I also don't want to use them as law.

17 Comentários:

LK said...

I agree with your position. I think we need to look at 2 things when dealing with hadith:

1) Does it contradict the Qur'an
2) Does it make sense to do what is asked

.::Tuttie::. said...

You are still early on in your study of Islam and it will come gradually to you as your love and understanding of Islam continues to grow. When I became Muslim I had La ilaha illa allah in my heart but I had very little love for the Prophet saw. As I studied more and learned about him my love for him increased and I began to understand a little more and began to differentiate what was Islam and what was culture.

I do believe in the authentic hadiths as verified and agreed upon unanimously by the classical major scholars of Islam. In response to the "male elite" comment I disagree with you. there are hundreds of hadiths talking about women and the virtues of women it just so happens that whoever is giving the speech focuses on the men and totally disregards the women that has nothing to do with the authentic hadith. Just like someone can take bits and pieces of the Qur'an take them out of context and then try to say that this is Islam when it isn't.

Hadiths (and by that i don't mean the fabricated ones) are very important in giving Islamic rituals historical perspective and that is needed seeing as we are 1400+ years later in a different time and different countries with different cultures.

I took this from a site and I agree with the author's point of view "In the Quran, the basic source of Islam, Allah puts Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his sunnah (words and actions of the Prophet and actions of others that were approved by the Prophet) in a special place, equating obedience to the Prophet to obedience to Himself. (Al-Nisa 4/80). But it should be noted here that all hadiths (sayings of the Prophet) are not binding on believers to the same degree. Actions can be compulsory, recommended, forbidden or reprehensible.

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One of the main reasons why some Muslims are careless or unconcerned about the sunnah is that they perceive the sunnah and hadiths as being outside the revelation; however, some hadiths are clearly derived from revealed sources. All the words and actions that were approved of or performed by the Prophet are approved by Allah. In other words, any mistakes the Prophet made were corrected. In this way, we can understand the purity of the Prophet's actions. "

all in all just continue to believe in Allah swt and ask him for understanding of his religion.

Candice said...

Thank you for your comment, Tuttie! You're so right about not appreciating the prophet as new converts. I start to appreciate him more with time, definitely. I'm at the point now where I feel I should give salawat and I really feel sure that he is the best example for us, and I seek information about how I can do that.

I am still very careful about hadiths, as much as I believe in the example of the prophet.

Laila said...

One question I have is whether Muhammad would have established extra rules besides the Quran? I don't know. I have no doubt there were extra practices that were followed, e.g. the salaah rituals, but were they all considered obligatory and the only right way to do things?

Another thing I am curious about is that I have heard there is a report that Muhammad told people not to write down his sayings. I wonder if this is true and if so, why that might have been.

I can't understand either why some people disregard hadiths completely. I think that is another kind of extreme.

It occurred to me recently that the whole thing of having black and white instructions with meticulous detailing of the "invalidators" of the practices comes from an uneducated mindset that isn't accustomed to thinking the way we do. So maybe it is a reflection of the type of society it started in. People wanted this type of guidance and so that is what they got. (A bit like the followers of Moses when sacrificing the cow.) It is also what they put effort into remembering.

Stacy aka Fahiima said...

It can be dangerous to call something "Islam" that has no basis in anything that was ever done by the Muslim community during or since the time of Muhammad. This is where the sunnah becomes important.
For example, I have been dialoguing with a guy who wants to essentially add the Quran to what he's doing as a Messianic Jew because of verses in the Quran that tell the people of the book to "stand fast to the Torah and the Injil." He essentially wants to create his own religion and coerce Muslims to follow it.
Whenever I bring up the traditional interpretations of a particular verse based on sunnah, he says "well, that's not how I read it." I figure if no Muslim in history has ever interpreted a verse in a particular way, that probably means its not the right interpretation. It helps me see why Muslims hold the sunnah so dear. A person who knows nothing of Islam can get some funny ideas from reading the Quran with no historical context.
Similarly, Christians and Jews need to use lexicons and commentaries to help them understand the situations surrounding the composition of each part of the Bible.

cairo, lusaka, amsterdam said...

The other (worse) extreme is to see the Hadith as equal to the Qur'an, thus ensuring that all the false hadith get codified into Islam, leading to the subjugation of women, the spread of a violent type of Islam, etc.

So yes, it's wrong to completely disregard the hadith, but very few Muslims do this. Much more tend to see the hadith as equal to the Qur'an, and as divine, even though it was compiled by men who of course had their own subjective world views.

Aynur said...

I thought according to the Qur'an we're supposed to hold all prophets at the same level, and revere all of them? So we should be loving all of them, right???

I agree with cairo, the other, worse extreme is to hold the hadith as equal to the Qur'an. This is something I've seen myself much much more than those who completely disregard them.

Candice said...

Laila: There are a few hadiths out there where Muhammad told his followers not to write down his sayings and I know of one that is considered authentic by scholars. There are different interpretations for it:
1) that it was for the period of the revelation, when the focus should be on preserving the Qur'an.
2) that it only applied to people who would rely on writings instead of memorizing things.

Stacy: Yes, that's how I feel too!

CLA: I would also call it worse to raise hadiths to the level of Qur'an, and I agree that it's more wide-spread than this elimination of hadiths that the Qur'an aloners do. The reason I write this post this way is that personally, I've always been closer being Qur'an only than the other. So this is less a warning for Qur'an alone types than it is a warning for myself.

I'm glad to have found the middle way in this issue.

Aynur: Yes, we should have all the prophets at the same level. When I show this verse to my husband, he is forced to say that yes, it's true, but adds something like, "BUT we need to respect Muhammad most". GAH

Anisah said...

Salam alaykom...
not only is it ridiculous...it SAYS in the Quran to follow sunnah...
http://www.muhajabah.com/sunna-yes.htm

Candice said...

Their way to explain it is that it says to follow the messenger and the only thing that makes Muhammad a messenger is the Qur'an.

I think that makes sense but the best way to obey Allah is by referring to the messenger (who will be able to show us the meaning of the message that he was entrusted with). I still think we need to be really cautious and make sure that the base ofeverything Islamic is the Qur'an and that nothing more than the explanation comes from the hadiths.

Nuseiba said...

Good discussion. I agree with what Tuttie said (and how you responded to the comments by everyone Candice).

In the way of abiding and following hadith as what compliments and completes our worships and actions, we have to make sure the hadiths that we hold to, are those with verified sources, its lineage (sanad) and matan (words at the end of the lineage) preserved. There are strict rules as to accept a hadith (ones that are hasan [good] and sahih [correct]) that one does not just accept verbatim something that is not verified. Wallahu'alam.

Candice said...

Thank you for commenting!

Anonymous said...

Your approach could also be flawed:

If the Qur'an is flawless and complete, (which Allah says it is), then I don't understand why you need the hadith. That contradicts Allah's words.

Furthermore whereas you would have to look at hadiths and assess whether it contradicts the Qur'an or not, the Qur'an is surely easier.

Hadith are manmade narrations.
Qur'an is the direct words of God.

The two can not accompany each other without problems. You may reject certain hadiths, but the same would accepted by others. So what is Islam then one might ask.

If the Qur'an is complete then hadith is not needed.

If the Qur'an is incomplete then by implication Allah is lying when He states that he has sent a fully detailed and complete scripture to mankind.

The prophet only conveyed what Allah revealed to him.

If there was more to be added then that needed to go in the Qur'an. Anything apart from the Qur'an is simply not from Allah as he does not state what hadith to follow or the need for further details.

But each to his or her own.

Candice said...

Anon: Try to address someone because it's unclear who you're writing this to. Probably not me since I reject hadiths used with Qur'an.

Mohamed said...

With the collapse of Ja'far Al Sadiq's empire in Iran and Ibn Hanbal's slow demise in Saudi Arabia, the tide is turning and the fictitous sects that emerged during the Abbasid Empire knows as the Sunni and Shia sects and others who follow man made revelations known as hadiths are slowly collapsing. Malik's Empire in Sudan is collapsing and Abu Hanifa's Empire in Pakistan is turning upside down. The so called Islamic states have proven to be ideologically obsolete and in the wrong side of history. The sects are on life support and the Koranist will take over. So who are the Koranist?

The Koranist believe only the Koran should speak for Islam.

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In Islam, abolishing Slavery is taught to be an act of righteousness (90:12-13), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which encourages slavery under war�

In Islam, women are never forbidden from praying or fasting during Menstruation (2:222), nor is there a specific dress code (i.e. the Headscarf) imposed on them beyond modesty, Vs. the Sunni and Shia which teach the undermining of women and forcing them to cover their hair and avoid praying or fasting at certain times...

In Islam, a man or women may leave a Will, after settlement of debt (4:12), Vs. Sunnis who refuse to accept wills if there are any direct descendants...

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Mohamed said...

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In Islam, males and females are not required to be Circumcised (32:7), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings requiring all males to be circumcised and females in some cases...

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Candice said...

Thanks Mohamed, I enjoy the free-minds point of view and agree with a lot of it.

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