Wednesday, March 4, 2009

"How would Muslims know how to pray if not for the Hadith?"

I read on some "Qur'an Only" forums sometimes and Sunnis come on there, asking how a person who follows the Qur'an alone would know how to pray. They usually answer that the Qur'an clearly mentions that it is complete and a verse that goes something like, "Which other hadith (than the Qur'an) would you follow?" (sorry for paraphrasing something that is already a translation and that I don't have a reference to, but it's not the most relevant part of what I have to say so I'll try to find that verse, but it shouldn't be the end of the world). So basically they don't really wanna "go there" to answer how they actually know how to pray, because there *is* a lot of disagreement between them and lots of variation. I'm all fine with variation, I believe there could be many ways to pray "right" but that a unified way is much better (think congregational prayer and unity in Islam).

But my question is: How do people pray USING the Hadith?

As far as I know, there is no large hadith that describes praying in the fully detailed way it's done today. And there are hadiths mentioning rakahs in certain prayers and mentionning the positions of prayers and mentionning sunnah prayers, but is there a way to know how to pray just using hadiths?? If anyone has a list of hadiths that describe prayer, I'd like to see it... I haven't been able to find anything with my regular googling.

9 Comentários:

Aalya said...

Try that link... they are long but contained within those hadiths are how the Prophet used to pray...for example
Volume 1, Book 12, Number 703:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

I saw that whenever Allah's Apostle stood for the prayer, he used to raise both his hands up to the shoulders, and used to do the same on saying the Takbir for bowing and on raising his head from it and used to say, "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida". But he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.

The link below has many more categories!

Hope that helps!

أم ترافيس said...

ma shaa Allah ukhti Aalya :)

yes definately there are all the hadith available in the book of prayer (bukhari).. but to read and understand all of it would best take a scholar ;) (ie.. someone who dedicates their life to understanding and organizing the hadith - in Arabic!)

CHeck out how many hadith there are on prayer! (JUST in Bukhari!) ma shaa Allah!

أم ترافيس said...

eek! sorry about that link, my search didnt show up

go here

and enter the word "prayer" in shaa Allah

Umm Omar said...

The best book for this is "The Prophet's Prayer Described." This entire book is loaded with hadiths, and is mostly based on the hadith of "the man who prayed badly." (There was a companion who prayed one day in front of the prophet (saw) and as the name of the hadith states, he prayed badly/incorrectly. The prophet (saw) corrected his entire prayer. Scholars say that this incident was a mercy to us because it gave us much insight into the correct way to pray.)

Here is the entire book online:

Candice said...

Thanks for the links. I will check them out slowly but surely!

Anisah said...

I've wondered about that Quran-only group too, how they knew how to pray.

Candice said...

They mostly all believe that there's a lot of variation in the way people *could* pray but that the prophet established a way to pray for unity. But they still all pray differently, not knowing *how* the prophet prayed since they don't follow hadiths (and according to them even the hadiths dont give as specific a way to pray as people use now so I'll see with the links I got).

Anyway, some of them, by using the Qur'an only, found that there were only 3 specified prayer times, some 5. Some follow tradition which is like what Sunnis do minus Muhammad's name. Some found that salat is not really prayer, but they see it as "conditioning" so they do other things to condition themselves to be better people, closer to God, etc. (which is what salat does). Sooooooo much variation.

Jamilah said...

I agree that the Prophet's Prayer Described is an excellent book.

Stacy aka Fahiima said...

It is something that would have been passed down visually from each generation of Muslims to the next. Those who lived during the lifetime of Muhammed would have continued to pray in the same way they had seen him teach and then passed it on to the next generation. Oral cultures are really good at preserving texts and prayers, etc.

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